jsheard a day ago

Since the commit history is public, there's a much easier way to tell that AI had a hand in writing that list.

https://github.com/a16z-infra/reading-list/commit/93bc3abb04...

> opus descriptions in cursor, raw

  • mtlynch 21 hours ago

    That version is more sensible. Opus generated:

    > Warning: his endings are notoriously abrupt, like a segfault in the middle of your favorite function.

    In commit e4d022[0], the wording changed to:

    > Fair warning: most of these books famously don't have endings (they literally stop mid-sentence during a normal plot arc).

    It's unclear what led to that change, as the commit message is just "stephenson".

    It went through a few more minor edits to get to what's currently published.

    https://github.com/a16z-infra/reading-list/commit/e4d022d592...

    • ilikehurdles 20 hours ago

      matt-bornstein's commits in that repo do often start off with ai-generated descriptions which he then edits down. there are notes on some commits that say things like "AI GENERATED NEED TO EDIT". the other contributors' changes don't have these tells.

      while it should come as no surprise to have software written by llms, if these books are in fact just picked by llms then what's the point of this list?

      • tshaddox 13 hours ago

        I’d be curious what the point is even if it were written by humans with some evidence of non-zero effort, but posting something with no point and no effort is really puzzling.

        • stingraycharles 11 hours ago

          It serves as a form of virtue signaling. “Look at all these super nerdy books I don’t just read, but consider myself an authority on”.

          Low effort is the name of the game in the age of modern LLMs.

      • pyrale 15 hours ago

        > if these books are in fact just picked by llms then what's the point of this list?

        How do you do, fellow nerds?

      • cowsandmilk 20 hours ago

        I don’t see any evidence the LLM picked the list of books, it instead was used to update/add descriptions of the books and series.

        • thwarted 18 hours ago

          That's almost more damning. The list was created by humans, who presumably read the books, but then couldn't be bothered to summarize the very books they read? Either the human is really lazy ("read" the book but can't be bothered to write a short summary) or really really lazy (didn't read the book but felt a summary was necessary). Either way, it makes this list less interesting, at the very least because it doesn't need to exist at all if someone can just ask an LLM "list and describe books that A16Z might think are valuable to read" and get the same quality output.

  • andy99 a day ago

       Stephenson doesn't just write sci-fi, he writes operating manuals for the future. His books predicted cryptocurrency, the metaverse, and distributed computing before most of us knew what TCP/IP stood for. Warning: his endings are notoriously abrupt, like a segfault in the middle of your favorite function.
    
    This really is a study in AI slop. At least they had the good sense to change it.
    • abecedarius 21 hours ago

      When they changed it is also when they misspelled his name. Opus got it right. I was surprised Stephenson took the misspelling as an AI tell.

    • netsharc 19 hours ago

      Man... "Write a book recommendation for people who like The Big Bang Theory".

      • binary132 18 hours ago

        I’m gonna start thinking “Bazinga!” every time someone says something borderline ai-sloppy

        • insin 12 hours ago

          I Have No Ability To Unread Things And I Must Unread

    • philipwhiuk 19 hours ago

      To a version that managed to typo his name.

    • nakamoto_damacy a day ago

      How did his books PREDICT crypto when we had eCash way before any of his books? SMH.

      • agentultra 21 hours ago

        Most of his books are also dystopias, not operating manuals.

        • ndiddy 20 hours ago

          a16z seems to view turning society into a dystopia as a goal, so that makes sense. Their portfolio includes:

          - DoubleSpeed, a bot farm as a service provider, allowing customers to orchestrate social media activity across thousands of fake accounts to create artificial consensus on the topic of their choice. Never pay a human again!

          - Cheddr, the TikTok of sports gambling, whose differentiating feature is allowing users under 21. Place live in-game bets with just a swipe!

          - Coverd, a new type of credit card where you can wipe off bills by betting on your favorite gambling games in their app. No VPN required!

          • jakelazaroff 19 hours ago

            Wow, I just checked the doublespeed website and it is comically evil. The footer says — verbatim, and in huge letters — "never pay a human again." (I'm not selectively quoting; it's a full sentence, despite their weird capitalization.)

            If Neal Stephenson tried to write a villain this on-the-nose, his editor would tell him to tone it down.

          • jsheard 20 hours ago

            > Cheddr

            > Coverd

            Even worse, they're bringing Web 2.0 startup names back...

        • rainsford 21 hours ago

          Can A16Z tell the difference? Insert that meme "At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus, from the classic sci-fi novel, Don't Create the Torment Nexus".

        • cmrdporcupine 21 hours ago

          a16z and others like them never met a dystopian warning they didn't interpret as a titillating invitation to an uncomfortably exciting and inevitable future!

      • efnx 19 hours ago

        Yeah, which book are we talking about? Reamde features crypto heavily, but I remember having bitcoins at the time it came out.

        • simonw 19 hours ago

          I imagine this is intended (though if it's AI-generated "intended" doesn't really apply) as a reference 1999's Cryptonomicon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptonomicon

          From that Wikipedia summary:

          > Their goal is to facilitate anonymous Internet banking using electronic money and (later) digital gold currency

socalgal2 18 hours ago

I wish I had as many positive experience as it seems some other HNers have with LLMs. I'm not saying I've had zero positive experiences but the number of negative experiences is so high that it's just super scary.

Yesterday, Thanksgiving, there was a Google Doodle. Clicking the doodle lead to a Gemini prompt for how to plan to have Thanksgiving dinner ready on time. It had a schedule for lots of prep the day before and then a timeline for the day of. It had cooking the dinner rolls and then said something like "take them out and keep them warm" followed by cooking something else in the oven. I asked "How do I keep them warm when something else is cooking in the oven?". It proceeded to give me a revised timeline that contradicted its original timeline and also, made no sense in and of itself. I asked it about the contradiction and the error and it apologized and gave a completely new 3rd timeline that was different than the first 2 and also nonsense. This was Google's Gemini Promotion!

All it really needed to do to my first query was say something like "put a towel over the rolls" and leave it on top of the oven.... Maybe? But then, it had told me be spread butter over the rolls as soon as they came out of the oven so I'd have asked, "won't the towel suck up all the butter?"

This is one example many times LLMs fail me (ChatGPT, Gemini). For direct code gen, my subjective experience is it fails 5 of 6 times. For stackoverflow type questions it succeeds 5 of 6 times. For non-code questions it depends on the type of question. But, when it fails it fails so badly that I'm somewhat surprised it ever works.

And yea, the whole world is running head first into massive LLM usage like this one using it for short reviews of authors. Ugh!!!

  • fainpul 17 hours ago

    You're not supposed to look so closely!

    It seems to me, most LLM fans are impressed by glancing at a result ("It works!") and never really think about the flaws of the answer or look at the code in detail.

  • evanelias 15 hours ago

    It's truly remarkable that Google put an absurd Wrong Answers Only generator in front of their primary cash cow 18 months ago, and in that time their share price has nearly doubled.

    It's wrong nearly every time I search for anything. Ironically, in writing this comment, I tried asking it for the GOOG share price the day before AI Overviews launched, and it got that wrong too.

  • ErroneousBosh 17 hours ago

    > I'm not saying I've had zero positive experiences but the number of negative experiences is so high that it's just super scary.

    Just for shits and giggles I decided to let Copilot (whatever the default in vscode is) write a Makefile for a simple avr-gcc project. I can't remember what the prompt I gave it was, but it was something along the lines of "given this makefile that is old but works, write a new makefile for this project that doesn't have one" and a link to a simple gist I wrote years ago.

    Fuuuuuuuuck me.

    It's 2500 lines long. It's not just bigger than the codebase it's supposed to build, it's just about bigger than all the C files in all the avr-gcc projects in that entire chunk of my ~/devel/ directory. I couldn't even begin to make sense of what it's trying to do.

    It looks mostly like it's declaring variables over and over, concatenating more bits on as it goes. I don't know for sure though.

    I won't be using it.

    • alextingle 6 hours ago

      Make is a great language, but very few people know it, or care about knowing it. The vast majority of makefiles are automatically written by garbage such as automake. They are exactly as you described - reams of repetitive nonsense. That's going to be the training data for the LLMs, so no wonder they write bad makefiles.

simianparrot 21 hours ago

Keep this in mind if you _ever_ feel tempted to take A16Z seriously. Absolute charlatans and clowns.

  • bmitc 9 hours ago

    I have told recruiters who flaunt A16Z as investors for whatever random startup they're recruiting for is actually a negative in my view.

  • hobofan 21 hours ago

    Software is eating the world.

    AI is eating the VCs.

    • binary132 18 hours ago

      MLaaS (money laundering as a service)

    • kibwen 20 hours ago

      We know that being a billionaire surrounded by yes-men all day causes brain damage, and we know that being on social media living in a delusion bubble all day causes brain damage, so really they were already cooked even before signing what was left of their brains over to the LLMs.

  • DonHopkins 21 hours ago

    ...and a conehead.

    • brandall10 19 hours ago

      It's such an interesting arc. I starting university in Sept '94, super excited to try out Mosaic on a T1 class connection after suffering through my 14.4k home modem. And shortly after I arrived, Netscape dropped.

      He was an absolute hero of that era, possibly the most admired 'geek' back then. Young, with hair, with no hints of his future Dr. Evil emergence.

      • neilv 17 hours ago

        I don't recall that fame at the time (from Mcom/Netscape, JWZ was more visible, in my circles), but I knew his name.

        When he was first coding NCSA Mosaic, we were both pretty young, and doing workstation development, which took more of what HN would consider hacker spirit than the bulk of contemporary software development does. And we were also presumably Internet people, so I assumed he was like me.

        In my mind, there was a default Internet person culture, which was very different than the tech industry culture of today. Curious, optimistic and wanting to bring Internet tech and culture to people, and a sense of responsibility for it. (Not affected platitudes, but innate and genuine; but also not tested by the potential of wealth, so you didn't really know how firmly held it was.)

        Culturally, today, I seem to be closer than him to my early impression of early Internet people. (Though I changed my mind about trying to first become a professor and then do research commercial spinouts, rather than to grab the initial dotcom boom money right away. So I'd like a do-over.)

        I don't know why he culturally seemed to go into the direction of libertarian manifestos and questionable crypto pumping.

        Maybe he has in mind a version of OG Internet values, or some other vision, and he's trying to amass more wealth and power to make it happen?

        There have been a few OG hackers in the VC space who you might have assumed would go one way if they had money, but then went a different way. Were they actually always like that? Did they learn something that changed how they think about the world? Were they changed by money/power circles, sycophants, or drugs? Did their business take on a life of its own, naturally maximizing profit, and they were just along for the ride?

kylecazar a day ago

It would have been really great to end the blog post mid-sentence.

  • ProllyInfamous 6 hours ago

    Dear Neal Stephenson: thanks for actually ending your well-thunk writings with complete sentences/thoughts.

    ----

    I just finished Dave Wallace's 520 page PhD thesis, his first novel The Broom of the System, which literally ends with a liar proclaiming:

    >I am a man of my

    ( "word" is presumed to follow, but another DFW book which just [abruptly!?!] ends )

    Like his other two novels (Infinite Jest & Pale King), Broom is an ensemble of disconnected characters, with no clear destination nor moral lessons navigated in a few-hundred-too-many pages — just raw human condition. Very powerful writing style, but with no executive function.

    Now that I've read 2000+ pages of David Foster Wallace, I will continue NOT recommending his novels to anybody (this is the same review I gave after IJ and PK). DFW was definitely a powerful thinker/writer, but he should have stuck to his shorter non-fiction meanderings.

    ----

    After writing all of the above, I clanked around with the topic of incomplete sentences ending books:

    https://www.perplexity.ai/search/broom-ends-with-an-incomple...

    >Your sense that the mid-sentence ending and related choices feel like bullying is a legitimate aesthetic and emotional response, not a misreading or a sign you “don’t get it”

    Just so fascinating — best book club buddy, ever.

  • anotherevan 14 hours ago

    About half-way through I had to resist the urge to skip to the end to see if he did that. An opportunity lost.

    I'll admit, of the few books of his I've read, I always felt like they ended a couple of chapters too soon or a couple of chapters too late — which has put me off reading more of his books despite some interesting premises. I suspect some of the deeper themes are lost on me in my bedtime readings. Just not my cup of tea at the end of the day, literally.

  • fnord77 21 hours ago

    I don't have any original ideas

  • ruined a day ago

    um, it literally does

    • fainpul 17 hours ago

      This is brilliant, but people don't get it :)

    • jeremyjh a day ago

      I'm really curious whats going on here. Is this a joke? Are you ok?

      • ruined a day ago

        did you even read the article??

        • dundarious 21 hours ago

          I don't appreciate these kinds of simple one-line referential jokes on HN, but your joke was to emulate perfectly the central issue of TFA, so I do agree that it brings into question who did and who did not read the article -- I know you read it.

      • nchmy a day ago

        [flagged]

        • latexr 21 hours ago

          E-mail the staff (link in the footer). Either dang or tomhow will reply, and they take these seriously and can take action.

    • taneq 13 hours ago

      Clearly you’re ending “um, it literally doesn’t” halfway through a word.

    • nchmy a day ago

      no,it quite literally doesnt...

      • dundarious 21 hours ago

        The central complaint of TFA is the exact same as what ruined is doing. It is very obviously a joke. Not something I appreciate on HN, but still.

        • andy99 20 hours ago

          I think it was a good enough joke or witty remark grounded in the crux of the article that it’s worth it. And it’s certainly interesting to see the “whoosh” past many of the commenters

          • dundarious 20 hours ago

            It was flagged and I vouched it for similar reasons. I downvote such comments though.

      • ruined a day ago

        a remarkable assertion from nchmy

      • natch 19 hours ago

        whoosh

  • pstoll 21 hours ago

    Lol I was hoping for that too

feintruled 19 hours ago

Reminds me of Werner Herzog's autobiography. In the introduction, he muses on a life being cut short by a snipers bullet, and when he sees a bird flying past his window as he is writing his book makes him imagine it is a bullet and he thinks it would be a nice device to cut his final chapter short at that exact moment, so he is giving fair warning that the book will end abruptly.

And so it does, but in a totally Herzog moment he then almost immediately intones afterwards "and that is the end of the book as I indicated in the foreword".

Coeur 19 hours ago

Of course the irony ist that if a big corporation publishes a year-end reading list, it has the implicit message of "hey we are not just a group of boring corporate robots - we're people, with real feelings, and hobbies like reading, and taste."

And now we realize that this is just a PR charade. They might not be people with hobbies like reading, and taste.

qoez 20 hours ago

It's definitely written by an AI. The end description of hitchhikers guide is "[...]the meaning of life. Which turns out to be an integer." No one would bother writing that.

hoistbypetard a day ago

All of the descriptions on that reading list give me strong LLM vibes. Which, given the source, seems like it should be expected. This post could have stopped after hypothesis 1.

  • jeremyjh a day ago

    I agree it is not really controversial, I don't think any other explanation is credible. And it really calls into question their assertion that at least one person there has read every book on the list. They love these books, yet no one there cared enough to write a few sentences about them?

    • zurfer 21 hours ago

      well, maybe no one felt informed enough to write this, so it was outsourced to the llm (imposter syndrom) or it was pure laziness.

      • roywiggins 20 hours ago

        The trick is that this list of books amounts to nerd shibboleths. It's not important to have read them so much as be able to use them as a marker of being a smart person.

        (That isn't to say these aren't good books, I'm talking about their social function among a certain type of person, corporation or natural)

chucksmash a day ago

Stephenson? Ah yes, the deservedly obscure dadaist prose stylist who thought it was cool to stop his books mid-sentence.

  • andrelaszlo 21 hours ago

    > A hundred years from now, thanks to the workings of the Inhuman Centipede, I’m known as a deservedly obscure dadaist prose stylist who thought it was cool to stop his books mid-sentence.

    • gpderetta 21 hours ago

      I love the "Inhuman Centipede" definition for AI. Is that a Stephenson original or he is quoting existing usage.

d_burfoot a day ago

Hypothesis C: failure of human memory. A human read Stephenson's book(s) 20 years ago, remembers that the endings were a bit unsatisfying. The same human also read some other book many years ago, which ends mid-sentence. In that person's mind, the two are conflated.

  • coffeebeqn 20 hours ago

    If I was writing a book review for my company (big famous VC who cares about their reputation) - I would’ve probably at least popped the book open and read a few chapters if it’s been years since I read it

  • boesboes a day ago

    Hypothesis A is much more likely if you ask me

    • shortrounddev2 a day ago

      It's A16Z, they definitely had an LLM recommend a set of books that nobody there has actually ever read. Except maybe Snowcrash

  • boznz 14 hours ago

    Another hypothesis. Have AI generate a top 50 list of books, and add a book you want your website to promote into the mix somewhere near the top to increase its sales. Cheap marketing, It wouldn't be the first time.

  • eesmith a day ago

    Hypothesis D-for-Delany: The human thought Stephenson wrote Dhalgren.

    "Waiting here, away from the terrifying weaponry, out of the halls of vapor and light, beyond holland into the hills, I have come to"

dandellion 20 hours ago

He has my admiration, I wouldn't have been able to write an article like this and resist the urge to end it mid

  • airstrike 20 hours ago

    Maybe he decided to up the ante and name his upcoming novel Candlejack, just to sp

  • insin 12 hours ago

    Maybe he accidentally forgot to accidentally

genghisjahn 21 hours ago

Stephenson’s endings are fine.

TazeTSchnitzel 20 hours ago

I've seen LLMs claim that a text cuts off mid-sentence before in cases where it in fact doesn't, and I think this might be an artifact of them being presented with a truncated version by some unclear software process, perhaps to fit into a context window. In this case, however, it's unlikely that the LLM was presented the text directly, and rather it is recounting things it “knows”.

  • thenickdude 14 hours ago

    I was trying out an IDE plugin for local LLM integration, but it would just make totally insane edits instead of what I asked for.

    It turned out that the LLM-runner's default setting for handling queries that were too long was to silently delete the middle of the query. So the LLM saw the beginning of my ask, and the tail end of the code context, and nothing else.

Waterluvian 21 hours ago

i didn’t want to be bothered with the shift key so i stopped using it and called it culture. but now i don’t even have to finish my

dimal 17 hours ago

> I had to read this over a few times to believe that I was seeing it. If it didn’t include the word “literally” I’d assume some poetic license on the part of whoever, or whatever, wrote this.

Unfortunately, the meaning of the word “literally” has morphed into almost the opposite of “literally”. Most people just use it as an intensifier devoid of any true meaning. Makes sense that an LLM that doesn’t have any sense of truth would just stuff that in there.

  • quesera 17 hours ago

    > Makes sense that an LLM that doesn’t have any sense of truth would just stuff that in there

    As it turns out, that phrase was most likely added in a human review-edit. Along with the typo.

    This is not an argument against LLMs lacking a sense of truth -- just that humans are pretty incompetent as well.

3rodents a day ago

“A hundred years from now, thanks to the workings of the Inhuman Centipede, I’m known as a deservedly obscure dadaist prose stylist who thought it was cool to stop his books mid-sentence.”

is “Inhuman Centipede” to describe the slop-eating-its-own-tale future we all dread an established term, or an invention of the author? I hope it becomes the term we all use, like slop and clanker.

For those of us writing original words that are consumed by LLMs without our consent, at least we get to be the front of the Inhuman Centipede.

warpspin 21 hours ago

Wished he'd spend as much as effort on writing endings for his books as on that blog post.

Sorry. Just grumpy, cause I always love the first 80% of his books and then they somehow... just disintegrate.

readams a day ago

In these modern times of ours, the word literally has taken on a new meaning, which is "not literally but with emphasis." This seems like the most likely explanation.

  • EdwardCoffin a day ago

    Even if that's the intended meaning of literally, it is still a reckless exaggeration. I'm pretty sure that Stephenson's endings are no more abrupt than some of Shakespeare's (check out Hamlet and Macbeth) or some of Frank Herbert's (see Dune and Children of Dune), and I never hear anyone go out of their way to describe either of them as being unable to write endings.

    • hnmullany 21 hours ago

      Everything from Stephenson after Anathem is an unremitting slog. He needs an editor who won't back down from telling him he needs to cut a third of his pages.

      • jeremyjh 21 hours ago

        Reamde and Fall are quite readable. But what does this have to do with endings?

        • jonfromsf 20 hours ago

          Remade was snappy but Fall went on forever.

    • disgruntledphd2 a day ago

      > some of Frank Herbert's (see Dune and Children of Dune),

      I mean, Dune does in fact end mid-story, which is probably worse.

      • jeremyjh a day ago

        No, no it doesn't. Are you talking about the recent movies that split the first novel into two movies? The novel Dune ends after Paul defeats his enemies and becomes emperor.

        • disgruntledphd2 a day ago

          The Dune series has six novels, the final one is Chapter House Dune, which does in fact end mid story.

          I know this because I read them in the 90s and didn't realise that Frank Herbert was dead for quite some time after reading Chapter House.

          • jeremyjh 21 hours ago

            I know that, I've read them too. In the SP, and in this thread we're discussing endings to novels. No one is complaining about a series that isn't finished due to the author's death.

  • howenterprisey a day ago

    I interpret the sense of "literally" here in the opposite way, i.e. without it the sentence may be taken to mean that the books metaphorically stop mid-sentence, but with it, they're saying that it's non-metaphorical and they really do. It would be bizarre wording otherwise.

  • layer8 a day ago

    “Literally” is commonly used as emphasis, but not as hyperbole. So it’s still a misleading misrepresentation just the same.

  • MangoToupe a day ago

    Hard to believe this when it's such a cut and dry claim about text. What does exaggeration even imply in that context?

rsanek 19 hours ago

due to constant mis-use like this, literally has even been redefined to not necessarily mean its primary definition https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally

  • tsimionescu 18 hours ago

    How is it misuse? This is how words are used - people use turns of phrase and metaphors, and then popular metaphors become secondary meanings. Very popular secondary meanings can even become grammar pieces - like "very", which has become the most standard intensifier, but used to be a normal adverb, like literally and truly.

    • shwaj 18 hours ago

      It’s an inadvertent step toward Newspeak, where we no longer have a word that means what “literally” used to unambiguously mean.

dude250711 a day ago

It's the same guys who get impressed if you are playing a video game while talking to them.

cm2012 20 hours ago

The most likely option of all was the article was written without that much effort by a random employee. This is a lot of work over one throwaway sentence lol.

  • happytoexplain 20 hours ago

    How on earth could you think the most likely option is that a human wrote that sentence on purpose? It's not the type of wrong that comes from low effort levels, it's the type of wrong that comes from not being a human.

    • cm2012 20 hours ago

      Humans make that error all the time. They can hear the author has abrupt endings and write it down. I think this case it actually was AI (according to some other HN comment) but you don't need to be an AI to make this error.

      • jmye 11 hours ago

        That’s an unbelievably idiotic error for a person to make. It doesn’t even make sense in the literally/figuratively context. Something that stupid wouldn’t appear in a third grader’s book report. Come on.

syllogism 20 hours ago

I thought it was a joke? Like the reviewer is saying, "I didn't finish these books".

larodi 17 hours ago

The footnote is precious, everything Humpty related is not.

gramakri2 20 hours ago

Missed chance to end the article mid sentence

angoragoats 16 hours ago

He needs to sue A16Z for libel. Or maybe he already is in the process of doing that, given this sentence from the article: “This is a factual assertion that is (a) false, (b) easy to fact-check, and (c) casts my work ethic, and that of my editors, in an unflattering light.”

These shitty VCs with their LLM-generated garbage need to be held accountable for their actions.

block97 18 hours ago

Sssh, Neal. They’ll do to you what they did to Michael O. Ch

larsbrinkhoff 20 hours ago

He should have ended this essay mid-sencence, because that would

refulgentis 20 hours ago

a16z is such a joke. Prototype of people with no taste and way too much money.

exasperaited 20 hours ago

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

— Maya Angelou

martythemaniak 21 hours ago

Silicon Valley is largely illiterate when it comes to fiction and literature. It is generally pretty hard to find people who read or think about anything other than a small set of standardized scifi, so even if this wasn't ai slop, it would still be pretty bad.

  • quesera 17 hours ago

    Can you do more than complain?

    All of the books I have read on this list (which is nearly all of them) are entirely worth reading.

    But I'm always looking for more and better stuff to read, so please give us a few examples that you believe should be included.

  • burnt-resistor 6 hours ago

    It's a symptom of a broader pathology of rich and STEM people lacking appreciation of philosophy and ethics. Neither extreme subject matter expertise nor wealth confer wisdom. This category of blindspot can lead to enormous suffering of others when over-promoted and under-moderated.

uxp100 a day ago

Could be some very dry humor? Confused LLM seems most likely though.